Thomas Frank/ John Smith Descendants


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12. John SMITH [3551] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on 4 May 1795 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England and died on 5 Jan 1870 at age 74.

General Notes: Father came from Tydd St.Giles in CAMBRIDGESHIRE. Son was a Corn Miller in March, CAMBS. John (this one) also probably lived in Tydd St. Giles. His third Wife, Mary Dent STANGER, was from Tydd St.Mary, LINCOLNSHIRE. However, Since his Son, John Stanger?-Smith was Married in St.Ives, and HIS first Child was Born Nth. Witchford, CAMBS. in late 1962, THEN during the period 1832 (when He and Mary Dent Stanger were Married) and 1862 the Family may have moved, possibly in stages from Tydd St.Giles to March.
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1. Search 1841 If Family living there at that time, try 1851 Census for Tydd St.Giles. Also try 1841 Census of Tydd St.Mary, LINCS. for traces of Stangers. Furthermore look for any mention of John and Martha SMITH and Children. (unlikely) John and Mary Dent SMITH and Children; and for John Stanger-SMITH and Emma (ULPH) and Family after she left home and married in 1860. Note: Emma shows in the St.Ives Census Records for the ULPH Family in 1841 and 1851. Since she was Married in 1860, she is not shown in the St.Ives Census for 1861; but may appear in Nth. Witchford. Also look for the Stanger (or Dent) Families in Tydd St.Mary in LINCOLNSHIRE. 1841 Census Records for Tydd-St.Giles, Ref.241227, ordered from the Mormon Library at Greenwich, Apr. 23, 1988. As of June 7, 1841 Census does not show any trace of John Smith and Mary; but maybe??? includes John Smith Snr. Tydd-St.Giles Census is divided into two Sections. The first (Western) Section is O.K.; but the Second (Eastern) Section is mostly illegible. Details of Smiths recorded are listed under the File D:\Winword\Genealogy\Census Data\1841 Census.doc Access it through Word for Windows. The only John Smith in this Census who may be "ours" is the (very faint) J.S. living near "The Rectory". His age is recorded as 18; but may well be 78. The illegible Section of the Census is very hard to read. However, it is probable that MOST Family Names can be identified. There is about a 80-85% chance that our John Smith was not living there in 1841.
H.U.SMITH. Apr.22/May 24/June 8, 1988.
1841 Census Records for March (Doddington) Ref. No. 241228 was inspected at the Mormon Library Greenwich on Oct.28, 1988. The Film is HO 107-81 PRO 814, It reveals that John Smith, Wife Mary, and children Helen(16), Harriet(14) and John(7) were living with them at that time. Helen and Harriet were the Daughters of John and his second Wife, Helen Hill Rogers (d.1831) They lived at Whittle End, the Boundaries of which are described in the Census Book as follows: "All that Part of the Hamlet of March East of the Turnpike Road called Chequer Row, the houses South of the Turn- pike Road to the Premises of Thomas Grey, also all all that part of Whittle End North of the River and including the House of the said Thomas Grey." H.U.SMITH, Oct. 31, 1988. ...

1841 Census shows as follows:
Census Return June 7, 1841. (PRO Microfilm HO/107/80)

at Whittle End. ...
NAME AGE POSITION BORN

John SMITH 46 MERCHANT Cambs.
Mary SMITH 35 Cambs.
Helen SMITH 16 ) Daughters of John SMITH &
Harriet SMITH 14 ) Helen Hill Rogers (1st. Wife) Cambs.
John SMITH 7 Cambs.

1851 Census shows as follos
Census Return April 7, 1851. (PRO Microfilm HO/107/1765)

at Whittle End. ...
NAME AGE POSITION BORN

John SMITH 55 Head, Miller & Merchant Tydd St.Giles
Mary D. SMITH [nee Dent] 44 Wife Tydd St.Mary
Harriett A. SMITH 24 Daughter of Previous Wife, Helen Hill Rogers?
March
John S.SMITH 17 Son, Assistant in Trade March
Mary J. SMITH 9 Daughter, Scholar March
William S. SMITH 4 Son Cambridge
Mary A. DAWSON 24 House Servant W.Walton, Norfolk

1861 Census shows as follows:
Census Return April 7, 1861. (PRO Microfilm RG/9/1043-4)

at Whittle End [119?], March. ...
NAME AGE POSITION BORN

John SMITH 65 Seed (Sand) & Coal Merchant Tydd St.Giles. CAMBS.
Mary (Dent) SMITH 54 Wife Tydd St.Mary. LINCS.
Mary J. SMITH 19 Unm. Daughter March.
Arthur F. SMITH 7 Scholar March.
Mary A. STANGER 15 Niece, Scholar South Africa.
Mary A. ACKWORTH 19 Gen'l. Servant Whittlesey.

Written to G.B.Stanger July, 1989. He may be able to provide further details of John and Mary Dent Smith (nee Stanger). Aug.2,1989. ...
Geoffrey Stanger in his letter, rec'd Aug. 8, 1989 provides details of Inscriptions on "Smith" Tombs and Headstones from the Station Road Cemetery in March, as follows: In Block J. completely concealed by a large tree, surrounded by a large and dense holly bush is a large tomb, about 7ft. long and 4ft, high. A rectangular box shape, headed by a solid triangle running the full length of the top. On the North Vertical Face is the Inscription:
IN AFFECTIONATE MEMORY OF JOHN SMITH BORN MAY 4th 1795 DIED JANry
5th 1870 AND OF MARY DENT SMITH HIS WIFE BORN JUNE 7th 1806 DIED MAY 31st 1874
Geoffrey also includes Extracts from Will Indexes in Somerset House as follows: 1870 6 July. the Will of John Smith late of March in the Isle of Ely and County of Cambridge Merchant deceased who died 5 January 1870 at March aforesaid was proved at Peterborough by the Oath of John Stanger Smith of March aforesaid the Son the Sole Executor. Effects under #3,000 This was a short will obviously made the same day as his death. It bequeathed nearly everything to his Son John Stanger Smith, "trusting that he will hold or distribute the same for the mutual benefit of my dear Wife and my other children......." Witness Robt Dewbarn Jnr. Solr. March and Wm. Burton, March.
H.U.SMITH, Aug. 11, 1989. ...
For Locations, See Shell Road Atlas of GB, P53 in the Area of "the Wash"

In a Journal kept by Harriette Anne Smith, his Daughter, Harriette said:-
John, the eldest, born May 2nd, 1795, was married in June 1821 to Ann Richardson, of Horncastle. they had one son, Frederick Pilkington, who died about a month old. Mrs. John Smith [Ann R.] died ..... ...... Mr. John Smith married again in 1823 to Helen Hill Rogers [my Mother], daughter of Rev. thomas Rogers [Baptist] of Fleet, Lincs. She died Jan. 4th 1831, leaving 4 children. [named]

John married Anne RICHARDSON [3553] [MRIN: 2221], daughter of Unknown and Unknown, in Jun 1821. Anne was born in Horncastle Lincolnshire England, died in Nov 1822, and was buried in The Churchyard Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England.

General Notes: In a Journal kept by Harriette Anne Smith, her Daughter, Harriette said:-
John, the eldest, born May 2nd, 1795, was married in June 1821 to Ann Richardson, of Horncastle. they had one son, Frederick Pilkington, who died about a month old. HisMother, Mrs. John Smith [Ann R.] died in Nov. 1822 & was buried in the Chapel yard at Tydd-St.Giles.


The child from this marriage was:

   17 M    i. Frederick Pilkington SMITH [4283] was born about 1823 and died about 1824 about age 1.

General Notes: In a Journal kept by Harriette Anne Smith, his half-Sister, Harriette said:-
Frederick Pilkington died about 1 month old.
NOTE: previously had his Name as Frank Pilkington.

John next married Helen Hill ROGERS [3554] [MRIN: 2222], daughter of Thomas ROGERS [11964] and Elizabeth HILL [11965], on 20 Aug 1823 in Fleet (Bapt.Ch.?), Lincolnshire. Helen was born on 2 Dec 1804 in Fleet Lincolnshire England and died on 4 Jan 1831 at age 26.

General Notes: Helen is believed to be the Daughter of a Clergy- man of Fleet (LINCS.). ...
H.U.Smith/ Betty Spender. July 1987.


Children from this marriage were:

+ 18 F    i. Helen Elizabeth SMITH [4284] was born on 11 Sep 1824 and died on 6 Mar 1873 at age 48.

+ 19 F    ii. Harriette Anne SMITH [4285] was born on 8 Jul 1826 in March Cambridgeshire England and died on 5 Aug 1900 in 9 Lyndhurst Road Hampstead London England at age 74.

   20 F    iii. Caroline SMITH [4286] was born on 17 Mar 1828 and died in 1833 at age 5.

   21 M    iv. Frederick Rogers SMITH [4287] was born on 20 Jan 1830 and died on 20 Jan 1831 at age 1.

John next married Mary Dent STANGER [3552] [MRIN: 1600], daughter of William STANGER [3828] and Mary DENT [3829], on 7 Jun 1832 in Wisbech St Peter Wisbech Cambridgeshire England. Mary was born on 7 Jun 1806 in Tydd St Mary Lincolnshire England, died on 31 May 1874 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England at age 67, and was buried in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England.

General Notes: SEARCH NOTES:
1. Await check of 1841 Census for Tydd-St.Giles in Cambs. If no sign of Dents or Stangers, try 1841 Census Records for Tydd-St.Mary in Lincolnshire. H.U.Smith, May 24, 1988.
Geoffrey Stanger, in his letter rec'd Aug.8,1989, provides an extract from the Will Indices in Somerset House as follows: 1874. 10 December. The Will of Mary Smith (heretofore wife of John Smith) late of March in the Isle of Ely and County of Cambridge widow who died 31st May 1874 at March was proved at Peter-borough by John Stanger Smith of March Merchant the Son and Edward Henry Edwards of 168 Adelaide Road in the Parish of St.John Hampstead in the County of Middlesex Stationer the Executor. Probate being granted under certain limitations. Effects under #1,000 H.U.SMITH, AUG.12,1989.


Children from this marriage were:

+ 22 M    i. John Stanger SMITH [2652] was born on 2 Jul 1833 in probably Parish of Doddington Cambridgeshire, died on 9 Sep 1915 in probably in March Cambridgeshire at age 82, and was buried in probably in March Cambridgeshire.

   23 F    ii. Mary Jane SMITH [3627] was born on 1 Dec 1841 and died on 31 May 1905 at age 63.

General Notes: Geoffrey Stanger, in his letter, rec'd Aug. 8, 1989, provides details of Jane's Tomb as follows: (for details of the location and description of the tomb, see under John Smith, her Father) On the North Slope of the Tomb:

IN LOVING MEMORY OF

MARY JANE SMITH DAU. OF THE LATE JOHN & MARY DENT SMITH OF MARCH
BORN DECEMBER 1st 1841 DIED MAY 31st 1905


H.U.SMITH, AUG. 11, 1989. ...

   24 M    iii. William Stanger SMITH [3628] was born on 31 Mar 1847 and died on 29 Aug 1872 at age 25. The cause of his death was an accident.

General Notes: Geoffrey Stanger, in his letter, rec'd Aug. 8, 1989 gives details of the Inscription on William's (and his Parents) Tomb in Station Road Cemetery, in March (a description of the Tomb will be found in the Notes on his Father, John) as follows: On the East Gable end:

ALSO OF THEIR SON

WILLIAM STANGER SMITH

BORN MAR 31st 1847

DIED AUG 29th 1872


H.U.SMITH, AUG. 11, 1989.

+ 25 M    iv. Arthur Frank SMITH [3629] was born on 27 Apr 1853 and died about 193 about age -1660.

13. Joseph SMITH [3570] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on 20 Jul 1799 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England, died on 4 Feb 1883 in Nottingham Park Nottinghamshire England at age 83, and was buried about Feb 1883 in Lenton Nottingham England.

General Notes: WAS BELEIVED TO HAVE LIVED IN NOTTINGHAM. ... "Betty" Spender, knowing Joseph lived in Notting- ham, and that he had a Grain Merchant/Miller background searched Nottingham Directories; and located a Joseph Smith, Corn Merchant. Further investigation showed Joseph was a Corn Dealer in Nottingham by 1832; and possibly earlier. Amongst other addresses, Joseph lived with his second Wife at Newton Priory, a Grand House, in a Nottingham Suburb. He also at another time lived in"The Park" another Nottingham Suburb. The 1851 Census
finds his Mother Martha Smith (nee Frank), by this time a Widow, living next door, with a Nurse & another Servant. At this time she was obviously unwell, as she died the following year. H.U.SMITH, from "Betty" Spender letter, rec'd. August 8, 1988. ...

The 1851 Census shows Joseph living in Nottingham, as follows:

Census Return April 7, 1851. (PRO Microfilm)

at The Park. ...

NAME AGE POSITION BORN

Joseph SMITH 51 Corn Factor Tydd St.Giles
Penelope SMITH [nee Elliott] 38 Wife Nottingham
Alexr. E. SMITH 22 Clerk in Corn Warehouse Nottingham
William F. SMITH 14 Scholar Nottingham
Mary A.P. SMITH 9 Scholar Nottingham
Henry J.E. SMITH 6 at home Lenton, N'ham
Rebecca E. SMITH 4 at home Lenton, N'ham
Joseph E.J. SMITH 1 at home Nottingham Park
Sarah SHIPLEY 41 House Servant Resthorpe, NOTTS
June JONES 19 ditto WALES
Lucy ELSOIMS 18 ditto Nottingham

Joseph married Anne ELLIOTT [3585] [MRIN: 2239], daughter of William ELLIOTT [3592] and Unknown, in 1827 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England. Anne was born in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died about Oct 1830.

Children from this marriage were:

+ 26 M    i. Alexander Elliott SMITH [3575] was born on 30 Jun 1828 and died about 1887 about age 59.

   27 M    ii. Joseph Frank SMITH [3588] was born about 1829 and died about 1830 about age 1.

Joseph next married Penelope Eldred ELLIOTT [3571] [MRIN: 2236], daughter of Unknown and Unknown, in 1833. Penelope was born about 1812 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died about 1857 about age 45.

Children from this marriage were:

   28 M    i. Dr William Frank SMITH [3589] was born on 16 Aug 1836 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.

William married Ellen SIMONS [12661] [MRIN: 5469], daughter of George SIMONS [4335] and Elizabeth [42953].

   29 F    ii. Lydia Penelope SMITH [12663] was born on 8 Mar 1838 and died on 8 May 1838.

   30 F    iii. Mary Anne Penelope SMITH [3581] was born on 15 Jun 1841 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died about 187 about age -1654.

   31 U    iv. I. Stu???n SMITH [12664] was born in 1843 and died in 1843.

   32 M    v. Henry Johnson Elliott SMITH [3572] was born in 1844 in Lenton Nottingham England.

   33 F    vi. Rebecca Elizabeth SMITH [3579] was born in 1846 in Lenton Nottingham England.

+ 34 M    vii. Joseph Elliott Johnson SMITH [3573] was born in 1849 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died in 1934 at age 85.

   35 M    viii. Benjamin SMITH [3590] was born in 1852 and died in 1852.

+ 36 M    ix. Philip Samuel SMITH [3574] was born in 1853 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.

Joseph next married Sarah HURST [3576] [MRIN: 2237], daughter of Nathan HURST [4309] and Sarah BEECROFT [16608], about 1858. Sarah was born on 3 Oct 1811 in St Mary Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died on 6 Sep 1874 at age 62.

Joseph next married.

14. Rebecca SMITH [3603] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on 13 Nov 1800 and died 2 Qtr 1846 in North Witchford Cambridgeshire England at age 45.

Rebecca married John COLE [3604] [MRIN: 2261], son of John COLE [3875] and Sarah EVERITT [3886], on 9 May 1825 by Licence at March, Cambridgeshire. John was born on 21 Jan 1802 in March, Cambridgeshire and died on 8 Mar 1873 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England at age 71.

Children from this marriage were:

+ 37 F    i. Harriett COLE [3605] was born on 9 Mar 1826 in March, Cambridgeshire and died in Independent Meeting House Castle Gate Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.

   38 F    ii. Anne Maria COLE [12669] was born in Nov 1827, died about 1831 about age 4, and was buried in General Baptist Graveyard March? Cambridgeshire England.

   39 F    iii. Mary Eliza COLE [3606] was born in 1830 in March, Cambridgeshire and died in Independent Meeting House Castle Gate Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.

Mary married W. FELKIN [3105] [MRIN: 1941]. W. was born in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died in 1885 in New Zealand.

   40 F    iv. Martha COLE [3607] was born in 1833 in Sheriton, Nottingham.

15. Samuel SMITH [3595] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on 28 Feb 1802 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England and died on 18 Jul 1892 in Wisbech Cambridgeshire England at age 90.

General Notes: SEARCH NOTES: 1. Check with Wisbech and Fenland Museum as to whether they have firmly established the connection between Samuel, John and Joseph. If so, what is the First Name of their Sister, who married a "Felkin"; and their other Sister, Rebecca, who married John Cole. H.U.SMITH. ... March 24, 1989. ...
Written to Elizabeth Nicoll, Edinburgh, who is a descendant of a Sister of Mira Smith. Awaiting further information; but definitely confirmed that Samuel was a Brother of John (and the rest). Aug.2,1989. ... In an
enclosure from Geoffrey Stanger, concerning John Smith 174?-1802, was the comment "Writing in 1884, the Son Samuel referred to "our Mother when she lived at the Chapel House at Tydd""

The 1841 Census shows as follows:
Census Return June 7, 1841. (PRO Microfilm HO/107/80)

at Whittle End

NAME AGE POSITION BORN
Samuel SMITH 39 MERCHANT (Brother of John SMITH) Cambs.
Mary? (Mira/Mora) SMITH 30 Not Cambs.
Emily SMITH 14 Not Cambs.
Julia SMITH 12 Cambs.

The 1851 Census shows Samuel living in Leverington, in Cambridgeshire, as follows:

Census Return April 7, 1851. (PRO Microfilm)

????????. ...

NAME AGE POSITION BORN
Samuel SMITH 49 Retired Timber Merchant Tydd St.Giles
Mira SMITH [nee Smith] 41 Wife Nottingham
Sarah ABBOTT 47 Visitor, School Mistress Boston, LINCS
Margaret KENNET 26 Unm Servant Terrington, N.
Sarah A. WATSON 18 Unm Servant Holbeach LINCS

Samuel married Mira SMITH [3596] [MRIN: 2252], daughter of James SMITH [3610] and Mary BOOTH [3611], on 28 Mar 1824 in St Mary's Nottingham Nottinghamshire England. Mira was born on 28 Feb 1802 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died on 11 Nov 1855 in Wisbech Cambridgeshire England at age 53.

General Notes: Elizabeth Nicoll feels that Samuel and Mira were possibly Cousins, or in some other way related. She is pursueing this further. H.U.S. Aug.2,1989.


Children from this marriage were:

   41 M    i. Joseph SMITH [9088] was born on 5 Jun 1825 and died in Dec 1825.

+ 42 F    ii. Emily SMITH [3597] was born on 8 Dec 1826 and died in 1871 at age 45.

   43 F    iii. Julia SMITH [3598] was born on 18 Dec 1828 and died on 21 Oct 1909 in Broad St Gen'l. Baptist Ch., Nottingham at age 80.

Julia married Robert BENNETT [3601] [MRIN: 2256], son of Unknown and Unknown. Robert was born about 1821 in Wisbech Cambridgeshire England and died about 1897 about age 76.

Samuel next married Frances DAWBARN [3599] [MRIN: 2253], daughter of Thomas DAWBARN [3882] and Mary SEYMOUR [17561], on 4 Sep 1860 in Hunstanton Parish Church, NORFOLK, ENGLAND. Frances was born about 1812 in Aldermanbury Middlesex England and died in 1897 about age 85.

16. SMITH [3602] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1).

SMITH married FELKIN [3608] [MRIN: 2260], son of Unknown and Unknown.

The child from this marriage was:

   44 F    i. Mary FELKIN [3609] was born in 1831.


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