Thomas Frank/ John Smith Descendants


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8. Lydia FRANK [3625] (Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on May 20, 1770 in Gedney Parish Lincolnshire England and died in Gedney Parish Lincolnshire England.

General Notes: In a Journal kept by Harriette Anne Smith, G-G-Daughter of Lydia's Sister, Martha, Harriette said:-
Lydia, the eldest, married John Hacker [previously believed this to be Harber] of Tydd-St.Giles, Lincs. Mr. Hacker died 1806 and was buried in the Churchyard at Tydd-St.Giles. They had a son, Samuel, who died about 1824. He was 26 years old.

Lydia married John HACKER [3626] in 1796. John died in Oct 1806 and was buried in St Giles' Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England.

The child from this marriage was:

   11    i. Samuel HACKER [12464] was born about 1798 and died about 1824 about age 26.

Lydia next married William BURREL [12465] in 1807 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England. William was born in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England.

9. Martha FRANK [3551] (Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on Feb 24, 1772 in Gedney Parish Lincolnshire England, was baptised on Mar 20, 1772 in St Mary Magdalene Gedney Lincolnshire England, died on May 12, 1851 in Lenton Nottinghamshire England at age 79, and was buried about May 1851 in Holy Trinity Lenton Nottinghamshire England.

General Notes: Martha's Marriage has been confirmed on the BOYD Register of Marriages. See note under Lidia HERBER. ...
If the Lidia connection is correct, then it is possible that her Mother was Lydia Frank; and her Father was Samuel Frank (see I.G.I. Page 12424) All other descendants of Samuel and Lydia are dependent on
this proposition being correct; and all antecedents of Samuel and Lidia are derived by assumption from the I.G.I.; and this assumption may be incorrect. H.U.SMITH. April 20, 1988.
Letter from "Betty" SPENDER, dated July 7, 1988, indicates that Geoffrey BEARD, Betty's (and my) Great Uncle believed that the Smith Family could trace their origins to Gedney, Lincs., sometime in the
mid-1700's. If this is so then it is further support to the belief that this Family of Franks are connected through Martha, married to John Smith in 1793.
H.U.SMITH from information from "Betty" SPENDER, in her letter of July 7, 1988. ...
NEXT STEPS: 1. Re-check Boyd Index of Marriages for Martha's Marriage to John SMITH (and for Lidia's Marriage)2. Search I.G.I. (Frank Family in Gedney) If there is a Lidia Frank, born to Samuel and Lydia FRANK in either the Parish of Gedney or of Tydd St Mary in LINCS., then this is in all probability the Family of Martha SMITH nee FRANK. Search, May 3, indicates further possibility of this connection. Copies of Frank Details ordered. Await receipt before further entries. When received Search Frank for Samuel and Lydia. H.U.SMITH. Apr.22/May 3, 1988.
All Frank details above Martha are derived from the I.G.I. Copies of I.G.I. received but A-Eliz (J19 and above?) and from Thomas Franke (R19) to end not available. Arrange copies of missing sheets, or re-inspect at Genealogical Society. H.U.SMITH. Aug.2,1989. ...
For Locations, See Shell Road Atlas, P53, E10.

Noted events in her life were:

• Residence: 6 Rope Walk [next door to her Son Joseph], 1851, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.

Martha married John SMITH [3550] on Nov 6, 1793 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England. John was born circa 1745 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England, was baptised on Jun 10, 1745 in Holy Trinity Elsworth Cambridgeshire England, died on Jan 24, 1807 in His Home/Chapel Tydd St Giles Huntingdonshire England about age 62, and was buried on Jan 27, 1807 in Centre Aisle Baptist Chapel Tydd St Giles Hntingdonshire England.

General Notes: John SMITH lived in Tydd St.Giles in HUNTS. ...
His Marriage is confirmed in the Boyd Register of Marriages, Reel 8011 at the A.S.G. Annexe.
See Notes under his Wife Martha. ...
Extract from the Parish Register of Tydd St.Giles, (No.164) for 1793, show John, then a Widower, married Martha Frank, of the Parish of Gedney in Lincolnshire.
NEXT STEPS: Check Boyd Index to confirm first result and if satisfactory. O.K. 2. Apply to Cambridge County Record Office, Shire Hall, Castle Hill, Cambridge CB3 OAP, for Marriage Certificate. Written to Colin Ulph, May 24, 1988, requesting him to apply for Marriage Certificate for John and his Wife Martha Franks. (RECEIVED)
3. Following search of Census Records, if not included, search I.G.I. and Parish Records for BIRTH and DEATH. H.U.Smith. Apr.22/May 24,1988.
Geoffrey Stanger, in his letter rec'd Aug.8,1989, gives the following "Resume" on John: John Smith 1745-1807 was a Farmer in a small way, probably on land at Tydd St.Giles. He was a Baptist, worshipped at the Meeting House at Long Sutton (Lincs.). In due course he became a Deacon. In about 1782, a disagreement arose in the congregation. Many of the members of this Church at Long Sutton accordingley withdrew and formed themselves into a seperate General Baptist Church at Tydd St.Giles. The new Baptist Congregation worshipped at John Smith's House where he preached to them. In 1793, John married Martha Frank of Gedney. In due course he was ordained as Minister on 7th April, 1795.
Somewhere about this time he built a new House, which incorporated a Meeting Hall for his Congregation. This building still exists although in a very dilapidated condition. (1988) Here, Martha gave birth to a Son, John (1794), a Daughter, Rebecca ( ), a Son Joseph (1799) and another Son, Samuel (1802).
The General Baptist Repository, Vol. 2 tells us that "on Saturday Jan. 24th, after a fortnight's illness, Mr. Smith, aged 62 years Pastor of the General Baptist Church , Tydd St.Giles, Cambs., finished his course. The Interrment was on the following Tuesday, when a discourse was delivered by Mr. Burgess (of Fleet) from Psalm 12, V.1 'Help Lord for the Godly Man ceaseth'; after which Mr. Jarrom of Wisbech suitably addressed the congregation over the remains of the deceased, which were then deposited in the middle aisle of the Chapel" Writing in 1884, the Son Samuel referred to "our Mother when she lived
at the Chapel House at Tydd" G.B.Stanger, AUG.8,1989. It is believed the "Smiths" originally came from Gedney in Lincs.
NEXT STEPS: 1. Search the I.G.I. or the Lincolnshire (Gedney) Parish Registers for a John Smith, born Gedney, in or about 1740. H.U.SMITH, AUG.13,1989. For
Locations, See Shell Road Atlas, P53, E10.

In a Journal kept by Harriette Anne Smith, his Granddaughter, Harriette said:-
Mr. John Smith [grandfather] died Jan. 24, 1807, aged 62 years. He was buried in his own Chapel, which he had built for the General Baptists of Tydd-St.Giles. Their children were John [my Father] Joseph, Rebecca and Samuel.

In an e-Mail received from Sandra Boudrou in February 2016, she include the following:-
A congregation of Baptists was established at Tydd St. Giles by 1782. John Smith, who kept the village shop in the house next the rectory field, founded the chapel in Broadgate, adjoining a house belonging to him, with an open-air baptistry for immersion. Smith was ordained in 1795, and two deacons were appointed at the same time. In 1796 the congregation numbered 15. It had increased to 28 in 1800. In 1817 there were 65 Baptists at Tydd St. Giles, Sutton St. James, and Fleet. Smith died in 1807, and was buried beside his chapel. He was succeeded by Mr. Pocklinton and James Smith. (fn. 63) <http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/cambs/vol4/pp224-232> In 1851 there was a larger average attendance at the chapel than at the parish church, where the rector was non-resident. (fn. 64) <http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/cambs/vol4/pp224-232> The chapel was discontinued in 1922 and the building sold.


Children from this marriage were:

+ 12    i. John SMITH [3546] was born on May 4, 1795 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England, died on Jan 5, 1870 in March Cambridgeshire England at age 74, and was buried on Jan 10, 1870 in March Cambridgeshire England.

+ 13    ii. Joseph SMITH [3565] was born on Jul 20, 1799 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England, died on Feb 4, 1883 in Nottingham Park Nottinghamshire England at age 83, and was buried about Feb 1883 in Lenton Nottinghamshire England.

+ 14    iii. Rebecca SMITH [3598] was born on Nov 13, 1800 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England and died 2 Qtr 1846 in North Witchford Cambridgeshire England.

+ 15    iv. Samuel SMITH [3590] was born on Feb 28, 1802 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England and died on Jul 18, 1892 in Wisbech Cambridgeshire England at age 90.

+ 16    v. SMITH [3597] .


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